Last week it was announced that Roland Emmerich's
long-awaited sequel to "Independence Day" will
finally become a
reality:
the film is set for release on July 3, 2015. So
when Emmerich -- who is promoting his new action movie, "White House
Down" -- dropped by The Huffington Post's New York City offices on
Tuesday, well, yes, we had
a lot of questions about the film,
including who's coming back for the sequel.
First, though, Emmerich's got "White House Down" on his mind. The new
film stars Channing Tatum as a police officer who inexplicably finds
himself protecting the President of the United States (played by Jamie
Foxx) after terrorists take over the White House. Emmerich is aware that
this isn't the
first "overthrow the White House" movie of the
year ("Olympus Has Fallen" came out in March), and the director doesn't
mince words about how he feels about this situation.
In our long conversation, the straight-shooting Emmerich explains in
detail why Will Smith won't return for his "Independence Day" sequel
(after he fought Fox for the right to cast him in the first movie, a
detail not lost on Emmerich), reveals how the idea came about, and what
other familiar faces we'll see in the new film. Emmerich also discusses
Jim Carrey's recent decision to back out of of
promoting "Kick-Ass 2" and reflects on one of his most critically
panned films, "Godzilla," and how that movie has everything to do with
"Deep Impact" and Armageddon."
I enjoyed the White House tour guide in this movie. He
references "Independence Day."
Yeah, the White House tour guide, Nick Wright -- who actually got the
job because he is a really good improviser. And he improvised in his
first reading the line, "the famous building in the middle, which got
blown up in 'Independence Day.'"
So that wasn't your line?
That was him.
Did you have any reservations about being self-referential?
No. When we shot it, he didn't do it. And then I said, "Do what you did
in the audition." And he said, "Really?" And I said, "We always can cut
it out since we have the other takes." And, naturally, it stayed in the
movie because it's a laugh. Also, it shows you that the movie doesn't
take itself too seriously.
Is that you poking fun at yourself?
Yes. Because I know I'm famous for blowing up the White House.
It doesn't blow up this time.
No. Everybody says, "Oh, you blew up the White House again."
You didn't. It's on fire.
It didn't even burn down.
I do like that these characters live in a universe where they
can watch "Independence Day."
[Laughs] It's a parallel universe.
In the next "Independence Day," those characters should
reference "White House Down."
I can't, because that's a
true parallel universe.
Did you see "Olympus Has Fallen"?
No.
Why does that happen? Two "White House is captured" movies?
I always said that. When we had two volcano movies and two meteor
movies, I thought, "Are they stupid?" But now I'm in the same situation.
I had committed to this film, I had cast Channing Tatum ... all of a
sudden, someone says to me, "Oh, this other movie just got a director
finally." I said, "What other movie?" Everybody knew, besides me. I
said, "Oh, this is a problem." And it was a problem. It seriously hurt
our movie because a lot of people will say, "Why should I see two of
those movies?" Even though I think they're probably very different from
each other. On the other hand, then they watch the sixth and seventh
part of "Fast and Furious" -- it's not so different, six from seven or
five from four.
To be fair, seven isn't out yet.
Oh, I don't even know how many there are.
Seven is next summer.
See, that's how connected I am. I live in a parallel universe.
A lot of directors don't admit publicly when they think this
kind of thing hurts their movie.
That's stupid. Sure it hurts us ... there's no doubt about it.
Before the "Independence Day 2" announcement, I thought you'd
do "Singularity" next.
We are actually writing as we speak on that.
What about the Stonewall project?
While I'm here, I'm going to use my time in New York to meet with the
writer tomorrow. We have a first script, it's very good but it's not
good enough.
But the sequel to "Independence Day" comes next?
It's probably next, yeah. They set a date, which is always a good sign.
You make a lot of action movies. I am curious about your
thoughts on Jim Carrey renouncing his involvement with "Kick-Ass 2,"
citing gun violence.
It's odd. That's just odd. I mean, as an actor, he has to know what kind
of movie this is -- there's a script there. And then all of a sudden
say, "No, I'm not doing this because it glorifies violence." I mean,
that's a little bit weird. On the other hand, maybe it's a very clever
marketing ploy to put this movie on the map. I believe if something is
wrong with our society, we should all together figure out a way how --
first of all -- to have less guns out there. Then the video game
industry should move away from these shoot 'em ups -- I mean, there's a
lot of "boom, boom, boom" and people fall. All of these games -- and you
score higher the more you shot. And, like, 8-year-old kids play that.
That is desensitizing. In a movie, there's good, there's bad ... you
know, there's a certain morality to it. There are emotions involved,
there are characters involved, people mourn for people who are dead.
Where did this "Independence Day" sequel come from all of a
sudden last week?
Nothing comes out of nowhere in a director's life. I've been talking
about an "Independence Day" sequel since we made this movie. And I
always said, "Nah, there's no sequel possible." At one point I wrote --
with Dean Devlin -- a script, which we got money for. And then when we
read it ourselves, we said, "Let's give the money back." Then, when I
did "2012," I realized all of a sudden, "Oh my God, what can you do now
with computers?" You can create water and fire -- breaking apart
buildings -- it's just a new world out there. All of a sudden, it popped
in my mind.
Aside from the effects, was there a story that you liked?
That, too. Because of that, a great idea of expanding "Independence Day"
to more like -- if you want to do a sequel, the studio doesn't
only
want to have another film. They want to have a franchise. If you want
to create a franchise, which "Independence Day"
could be, then
you have to expand the mythology behind it. Why did the aliens come?
What does their culture look like? What does that mean? And I had a
couple of really, really good ideas with Dean together ... then, like it
was in the first movie when we talked about that idea, after three
days, the whole script was roughly together -- and the same thing
happened again. And I realized now it's time to do it.
Will it start 19 years later?
Yes. It's totally a parallel universe. That's all that I'm saying.
You've already said that Will Smith won't be back. I'm
assuming there was some contact with him?
It's a very simple thing. We gave him our very first script and he liked
it very much. He said, "Look, I don't want to go there anymore because I
was a different person than I am now. And I have so many other projects
that I want to do." At that time he wanted to make two movies at the
same time. Then, naturally, his demands were-- I would say, I have to go
down with my demands, too, because I don't own this. The studio owns
this. And he was just saying "No, I don't care, this is what I want,"
and that's it. Then I kind of thought,
This will never happen. A
lot of my friends said, "You don't need Will. I would go watch it
without Will."
It wasn't his movie before. It was an ensemble.
It was an ensemble piece.
He wasn't a big star before "Independence Day."
No. We had to fight for him. Fox was not so happy that we took him in
this part.
They didn't want him?
No, no. They would have cast other actors. But it always happens like
that. It's interesting, because it became a much bigger movie since we
know Will is not in there.
Is that why it's supposed to be two more movies?
No. We are just going to do the next one and see what happens. We could
theoretically go on and on and on -- because there's a bigger mythology
to it. There's a bigger theme to it and that for me is more exciting
than one character. And I will cast a couple of actors who I really
like, you know what I mean? I'm always a fan of certain people.
Who are you a fan of?
No, I cannot.
You like someone like Channing Tatum.
Well, yeah, Channing. I always like people who are not usually doing
these kind of movies. Like a Maggie Gyllenhaal in "White House Down."
Like Jeff Goldblum in "Independence Day."
Exactly.
Or Judd Hirsch.
Yes.
Is Judd Hirsch coming back?
Yes. I think so.
And I saw that Goldblum and Bill Pullman are coming back.
Yes.
I assume it's too late for Boomer.
The dog would be dead. [Laughs] Yeah, that would be interesting.
It's frustrating that Will Smith turned you down and turned
down a movie like "Django Unchained."
He turned "Django Unchained" down. I couldn't believe it.
Did that surprise you?
Totally. Who doesn't want to work with Tarantino?
Of your movies, the one I'm not a huge fan of is "Godzilla."
And I'm not alone. Why did that movie not work?
I'm always testing movies a lot -- and we had no time to test. It was
also, probably, a situation that I was a little bit talked into it. At
that time I had an idea about a movie about a meteor striking Earth. And
I had a whole idea how to do it. One of my all-time favorite movies is
-- oh, what is it called? I had a little too much to drink yesterday.
The one about the astronauts ...
"The Right Stuff"?
"The Right Stuff"! I wanted to do something like "The Right Stuff,"
combined with a meteor strikes Earth. So, you have to go up there on a
mission. I had this whole thing planned out and a lot of people said,
"You can do this after 'Godzilla.'" And that was a really big lesson for
me because there were
two movies after that.
"Deep Impact" and "Armageddon."
And I would have beaten them both.
Is it fair to say that your heart wasn't in "Godzilla" as
much as your other movies?
I don't know. Also, I'm not really a fanboy. So, I was changing
Godzilla. The original, how Godzilla looked, didn't make sense to me.
And now they're rebooting that.
It will be very interesting to see how they make him look. It was
inspired by some Ray Harryhausen movies -- stop-motion animation movies.
They were a big hit in Japan and the Japanese just wanted to do their
own version. They couldn't do stop-motion animation, so they just built a
big suit and put a stuntman in -- and that's why it's so bottom heavy.
That's why it looks a little bit silly. [Laughs] The most embarrassing
moment of my life, I was in Japan to show Toho -- who owns the copyright
for Godzilla -- my new Godzilla. Before I did the presentation, they
brought me to the Toho studios and there was Godzilla standing there
with a sign around his neck that said, "Mr. Emmerich, I'm ready for your
shooting call."
Wow.
That's what I said. Wow.
He never got his shooting call.
No, he didn't.
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Columbia Pictures' "White House Down," directed by Roland Emmerich. (AP
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Gyllenhaal in a scene from "White House Down." (AP Photo/Sony Columbia
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In
this Tuesday, June 18, 2013 photo, Roland Emmerich. director of the
film "White House Down," poses for a portrait in Beverly Hills, Calif.
The action-packed film starring Jamie Foxx as the President of the
United States of America and Channing Tatum as his impromptu bodyguard
releases Friday, June 28, 2013. (Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP)
Roland
Emmerich
In this Tuesday, June 18, 2013 photo, Roland
Emmerich. director of the film "White House Down," poses for a portrait
in Beverly Hills, Calif. The action-packed film starring Jamie Foxx as
the President of the United States of America and Channing Tatum as his
impromptu bodyguard releases Friday, June 28, 2013. (Photo by Chris
Pizzello/Invision/AP)
Roland Emmerich
In this
Tuesday, June 18, 2013 photo, Roland Emmerich. director of the film
"White House Down," poses for a portrait in Beverly Hills, Calif. The
action-packed film starring Jamie Foxx as the President of the United
States of America and Channing Tatum as his impromptu bodyguard releases
Friday, June 28, 2013. (Photo by Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP)
"White
House Down" Washington DC Premiere
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 21:
Channing Tatum attends 'White House Down' Washington DC Premiere at AMC
Georgetown on June 21, 2013 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Larry
French/Getty Images)
"White House Down" Washington DC
Premiere
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 21: Jamie Foxx attends 'White
House Down' Washington DC Premiere at AMC Georgetown on June 21, 2013 in
Washington, DC. (Photo by Larry French/Getty Images)
"White
House Down" Washington DC Premiere
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 21:
Jamie Foxx attends 'White House Down' Washington DC Premiere at AMC
Georgetown on June 21, 2013 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Larry
French/Getty Images)
"White House Down" Washington DC
Premiere
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 21: Jamie Foxx attends 'White
House Down' Washington DC Premiere at AMC Georgetown on June 21, 2013 in
Washington, DC. (Photo by Larry French/Getty Images)
"White
House Down" Washington DC Premiere
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 21:
Channing Tatum attends 'White House Down' Washington DC Premiere at AMC
Georgetown on June 21, 2013 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Larry
French/Getty Images)
"White House Down" Washington DC
Premiere
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 21: Jamie Foxx attends 'White
House Down' Washington DC Premiere at AMC Georgetown on June 21, 2013 in
Washington, DC. (Photo by Larry French/Getty Images)
"White
House Down" Washington DC Premiere
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 21:
Channing Tatum attends 'White House Down' Washington DC Premiere at AMC
Georgetown on June 21, 2013 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Larry
French/Getty Images)
"White House Down" Washington DC
Premiere
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 21: Maggie Gyllenhaal attends
'White House Down' Washington DC Premiere at AMC Georgetown on June 21,
2013 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Larry French/Getty Images)
"White
House Down" Washington DC Premiere
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 21:
The cast and producers of 'White House Down' Washington DC Premiere at
AMC Georgetown on June 21, 2013 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Larry
French/Getty Images)
"White House Down" Washington DC
Premiere
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 21: Maggie Gyllenhaal attends
'White House Down' Washington DC Premiere at AMC Georgetown on June 21,
2013 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Larry French/Getty Images)
"White
House Down" Washington DC Premiere
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 21:
Jamie Foxx attends 'White House Down' Washington DC Premiere at AMC
Georgetown on June 21, 2013 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Larry
French/Getty Images)
"White House Down" Washington DC
Premiere
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 21: Jamie Foxx attends 'White
House Down' Washington DC Premiere at AMC Georgetown on June 21, 2013 in
Washington, DC. (Photo by Larry French/Getty Images)
"White
House Down" Washington DC Premiere
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 21:
Jamie Foxx attends 'White House Down' Washington DC Premiere at AMC
Georgetown on June 21, 2013 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Larry
French/Getty Images)
"White House Down" Washington DC
Premiere
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 21: Brad Fischer, (L), Jamie
Vanderbilt and Harald Kloser (R) attend 'White House Down' Washington DC
Premiere at AMC Georgetown on June 21, 2013 in Washington, DC. (Photo
by Larry French/Getty Images)
"White House Down"
Washington DC Premiere
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 21: Jamie Foxx
attends 'White House Down' Washington DC Premiere at AMC Georgetown on
June 21, 2013 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Larry French/Getty Images)
"White
House Down" Washington DC Premiere
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 21:
Channing Tatum attends 'White House Down' Washington DC Premiere at AMC
Georgetown on June 21, 2013 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Larry
French/Getty Images)
"White House Down" Washington DC
Premiere
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 21: Channing Tatum, (L), Jamie
Foxx, (C) and Roland Emmerich, (R) attend 'White House Down' Washington
DC Premiere at AMC Georgetown on June 21, 2013 in Washington, DC.
(Photo by Larry French/Getty Images)
"White House Down"
Washington DC Premiere
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 21: Maggie
Gyllenhaal attends 'White House Down' Washington DC Premiere at AMC
Georgetown on June 21, 2013 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Larry
French/Getty Images)
"White House Down"
Washington DC Premiere
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 21: Maggie
Gyllenhaal attends 'White House Down' Washington DC Premiere at AMC
Georgetown on June 21, 2013 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Larry
French/Getty Images)
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